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在YAHOO 拍賣上面賣PS2的人要注意了!! 前幾天當我在逛YAHOO拍賣時,發現許多刊登PS2的問與答裡頭,出現了外國的買家, 提出像是這樣的問題: Dear seller, Let me introduce myself to you, i am Pamala Sellman a engineer and i am also the owner of Sumax Group Of Companie, Sir/Ma, i am glad to tell you that i am really pleased and impressed in your PS2 and i will love to purchase this goods from you,i will be very happy, if you are willing to sell it to me, but i am not buying it for myself, i want to buy it for my daughter in-law which is in West African for his school project, i am buying it for her as a Birthday Gift. Sir/Ma, i know you maybe saying * Why cant you bid* it is not that i dont want to bid but i just dont have alot of time to be bidding because she told me that she need the goods badly, so that have make me to made up my mind to offer you $230 US DOLLARS for the goods. And i will also like handle the shipment if you dont you mind,So i will await your quick responce about shipment& payment."YOU CAN REPLY TO MY EMAIL ADDRESS BELOW, SO THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO BARGAIN BETTER ( pamala_sellman@yahoo.ca ) 要不然就是: Hi There am from Wisconsin in USA, wanna purchase this items and gonna be paying you via MoneyGram International Money Order and the items will be shipped as soon as the payments confirmation letter is forwarded to you. The items will be shipped via FedEx express or post office and if you are okay with this reply asap to ( lucasgarcia@graffiti.net ) for quick reply to your questions. or you can also chat with me online on msn , my msn account is vandarsar@hotmail.com add me to your msn list and we can chat better. please only serious sellers who understand how to do overseas trade, are elligeable to reply regards Lucas C. 大部分的PS2賣家遇到英文的問題時, 回答有下列幾種: ---- Sorry I don't speak English. Sorry I don't sell it outside Taiwan. Sorry I don't know English. Sorry please speak Chinese. ㄟ..我看不懂英文,直接用中文回你好了....此項貨品只願意在國內販售... 你講啥?? = =" Orz... ---- 我閒閒的,把那個聲稱是來自Wisconsin的傢伙hotmail加入我的msn. okay,開始跟他聊...

　

hello

hi

am mr Lucas from USA

hello Lucas~

first, i'd like to ask you, do you know the ps2 models in Taiwan cannot play games distributed in the U.S?

can it play english games?

basically, no

but, if the machine is mod-chipped, it could

i played God of War, Metal Gear Solid on it

no problem.

ok

so it needs to be chipped ight?

in Taiwan, well, probably over 60% of the gamers modify their console

the ones you see on Taiwan Yahoo are mostly chipped.

i see

what's great about modifying the console is, you could play all region games, and most importantly, play *pirated, duplicate* games.

cool

i got you

with a DVD burner, you could just rent a original copy, and burn one of your own, which costs you like, 10 NTD...that's 0.3 cents?

really?

you are an expert in it?

in modifying consoles?

yes

ha, i'm not.

but there are a bunch of local video games shops providing this kind of service@@

i see

so how mny games are you wanna sell?

i got only one ps2 console.

ok

so you want more than one?

yes............ but if thats what you've got no problem

how many do you want? cuz i saw you left your message on so many items...

yes

did anyone of them make replies to you?

yes

i got many replies

but i've to reject some cos they dont know english

pity

some i've to reject cos they dont know much about international transaction

some dont even know MoneyGram

it's not that popular as Paypal is here

i see

but we use to use paypal before............ but now we never used it again cos we've been frauded before

and, if don't know not much about it, they worry about fraud.

we also TT money to guy in HK and he ran away to Macau

i see

you TT money to HK and he ran away?

so you never got what u bought?

yes

we ask him to ship to Nigeria 註解:聊到這邊...就發現這傢伙是詐欺的,之前新聞報導過一個*奈及利亞詐騙團* 專門用高價引誘賣家拍賣貨品賣出,而他們用來付錢的匯票都是他們自己假造的,等你把貨品寄出,錢卻也領不到!! 好...然後我就開始亂哈啦@@

and till now

our client never got the goods

it was 5 Laptops

just being curious, why would you choose to buy consoles here? isn't it much more convenient and cost-effective to buy in US

well............. thats a nice questions

but we choose to does so

cos

the tax impositions here in the states is too much

and this games are cheaply bought over there

but to buy from Taiwan, you have to afford the shipping fees

plus the shipping cost from asian countries to Nigeria is cheaper

okay.

you are in US and you shipped the items to Nigeria?

yeah............ am working with clients over there

okay, so how many consoles do you intend to buy, and do you want mod-chipped consoles or brand new ones?

mod-chipped is okay

that would be readily available to be sold as soon as it reaches the destination country

how many consoles do you want

i need to know how many you wanna supply!!

cos from my point of view it seems like you aint a wholesales

so i need to know how well stocked u re

i'm not, but one of my friend is.  (想看你能唬到什麼程度)

i see

ok.............. i would need at least 5pcs

will there be continued patronage?

sure why not

ok

as soon as the first trade is successful and our clients got us informed that you shipped a nice items........ no problem

we really need a nice, busines pertner

we already have in HK, singapore

etc

tell me about your client in Nigeria

he selles all sorts of electronics

like IPOD

yes

he sells 2nd hand

what's the price of PS2 there, just curious

i dont know how much he use to sell it over there!

ok. So how much would you like to buy, for used ones?

also for new ones

for new ones

cant py more than $260  (來了...用高價引誘賣家...台灣一台才賣5888,他老兄出美金260跟你買)

plus shipping?

just th console.

we need to sort out shipping on its own!

ok

is this urgent?

cuz i'm pretty busy till end of July, and my friend doesn't speak much English.

ok.

no problem

we could start the deal by them

hope he would be receiveing Moneygram?

i myself don't know much about Moneygram, could you please briefly explain it to me

moneygram sends international Money Order

which's like a check that you can cash easily in your banks

is the commission high?

no commission

they would ship the Money Order to you via royal mail

so that you can trace your MO online

this is an example of MO

i would be the one to make the payments online

then they would send you a confirmation letter

this letter will carried the tracking number to track your shipped Money Order

then as soon as you track and be sure your Money is sent

then you can have the items shipped

don't i have to wait before i receive the money order and cash it, then shipping the items?

no............... cos as soon as you got the confirmation letter,

you still need to email the tracking ### to them for their refrences 唬爛的地方又來了!! 他提到的那個匯票的確認信函,應該就是他們自己假造的,讓你認為可以收到錢...就把貨品寄了@@

and when will i receive the money order

money order takes 5-6 days to reach your place via royal mail

for me, cashing the money order will require some commission, right?

yes.............. with your bank

before we deal, could we try the Moneygram, with a mininum payment?

like what?

like some games, which cost much less

and could also make my friend feel safe to use moneygram

PS 2 consoles

so is it okay to start by only one console?

thats not a problem for me

you re wish to do anything that could makes you feel comfortable

that's for sure, since i'm not familiar with this.

OK

no problem

great

and once you get to know much about how the whole systems operates

then you can as well go into large transaction!

yes.

that's right. after all, all the frauds that take place everyday is disappointing, these people should be burnt in hell for good.

LOL  (機八勒...就是在說你,還敢笑....ps. LOL= laughing out loud)

SURE

we got conned twice

should this occur, is there anything we could do?

thats why we're using moneygram

with them both seller and buyer re practically safe!  (應該是說...方便你們假造)

how moneygram protect seller

they would ensure you re able to trace your money .......... and give ya authorisation letter.

then buyers?

buyers............. will have their item shipped at thesame time when seller confirms his/her payments

so if no items is shipped and buyer reports, then the stuffs will be investigated plus the MO shipped would be stoppedby the royal mail

i see

so the presence of the 3rd party makes it better

plus we need to pay for their services

and thats better

than all the fraud wave going on . expecially on the internet!!

that's right

buyers pay through credit card?

nope

need to go to their office over here in WI

concerning the consoles, i think they have to be modified, unless the client in Nigeria knows how to, the console won't play English games.

i guess he can do that!

so new ones and mod-chipped ones are both okay for him

ok

Ok, Lucas, that's basically it, I'll get in touch with you when i inform my friend this matter.  (ㄟ..其實等一下就會封鎖你)

thanks

its nice to meet ya as well

hope our future transaction will be successful

i just hope so

thanks see you soon!

　

我再用*奈及利亞*  *詐騙*  用google大神指點迷津 發現了一些網友在ebay討論區早就討論這些事情了:

Please NEVER deal international from known high fraud areas ! NEVER give your personal and banking information to the Nigeria scammers ! Do NOT conduct off eBay sales or you are taking the biggest risk of FRAUD ! Remember: if it looks too good to be true, it probably is ! 　

還有:

"遭到Western Union詐騙" "使用Western Union就出事了" Nothing to do with Western Union... It is called a Nigerian scam 奈及利亞 詐騙 !! The Nigeria 奈及利亞 is known for Advance Fee fraud aka "419", and the variations of Advance Fee Fraud scams are very creative and on the rise. Many auction sellers are contacted by con artists demanding to make massive purchases to be dispatched to Nigeria, but get paid with fake/counterfeit/replica Money Orders / checks. Some Nigerian scammers even try to obtain the seller's personal / banking information in order to usurp his / her identity and take the money out of the account. 　

我想應該不止是ps2,可能其他高價電子商品, e.g. iPOD, 也會有這些份子滲入... 這些PS2賣家沒有看懂英文...所以應該不會被騙...其他人就要小心了. 謹記:"If it looks too good to be true, it probably is" 天下沒有白吃的午餐啦~~

8/27 update: 連手錶也有類似的情形了,所以應該高價位產品都有這些不肖分子在動歪腦筋。 謹記反詐騙的最高原則: 勿貪